Curse

blackknight1337 · Feb 23, 2009, 09:01 PM // 21:01

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Originally Posted by Mr.Kotte

One thing I did notice was that the Mindblades do run out of energy, so I assume a Mark of Rodgord based build should be able to work.

I suppose it is possible to work single groups with MoR, just keep in mind you are basically gambling with how many mindblades have hexbreaker active.

You shouldn't have problems with groups of 3, but keep this in mind. Being targeted with a spell stops inherent health regeneration. Before the update to mindblade health, you usually had to use MoR twice. With almost double health in NM, you are going to have to use it several times to be worth the spot on your bar. Relying on the mindblades casting to drain their energy will never keep them all out of hexbreaker. You can expect significant damage via hexbreaker with 6 and 9 mindblade groups. And on top of that, using a/e comes with some energy problems when compared vs a/me. And A/E doesn't have much of a spot for a self-heal. Or at least didn't when I used to run plains, and that was with MoR + Lava Font.

CronkTheImpaler · Mar 19, 2009, 12:31 AM // 00:31

K so i have a couple questions/observations...

1. you guys bicker like a bunch of dottering old hens.

2. am i to believe that the plains can be done start to finish in under 30 minutes?

surely ye jest!!

Cronk

PS. if anyone can do it under ill pay 10k just to see it done. im not saying it CANT be done. i just farm it ALOT and i have used many builds and cant get anywhere near that. granted maybe im the the BIG lose.

impulsion · Mar 19, 2009, 04:07 PM // 16:07

It could be done in around 20mins before the nerf. Now however, I doubt it is possible to do it in under 35mins without using any cons, and 35mins is only if everything goes perfectly.

CronkTheImpaler · Mar 19, 2009, 07:13 PM // 19:13

i remember pre-nerf with the perma doin it in roughly an hour maybe 50 minutes. Now it takes a couple hours for shits sake. unless im missing something here. you need to do the clear the chamber quest. thats like 5 minutes. the run is 2-3 maybe. Now you are at the plains and you cant just pop the whole she-bang. you have to run around pullin and placing them where you want them and it goes 3-6-9 for each dream rider right?
and if im not mistakin there are 9 dream riders on the plains that spawn MBS. the rest are just there. so 3 waves for each rider =18 MBS per rider x 9 riders =162 Mind blades. that doesnt count the 9 mind blades that pop with out killin a dream rider.

so this is done in 35 minutes? again the offer stands. if someone is willin to let me observe this 35 minute run in action ill pay 10k screw it make it 25k.

i just want to see this. it would be mighty impressive.

Cronk

joshuarodger · Mar 19, 2009, 07:39 PM // 19:39

cronk, the 20-35 minute times were before the recharge on SF was nerfed. also before mindblades had a billion health and hexbreaker. the mesmer builds don't work well there anymore and surely not in less than 30 minutes. before the nerf, it was possible because they all grouped up around you and you could cry them all at the same time after casting ether nightmare or something on them. now if you use ether nightmare on them, hexbreaker kills you.

EDIT: also the dream riders used to follow you a long way before they broke aggro so you could easily kill 2-3 of them at a time then kill the mindblades that spawned from each of them all at the same time. now the riders only follow a short distance so you have to kill them individually.

CronkTheImpaler · Mar 19, 2009, 07:50 PM // 19:50

Thanks for the post joshua. i knew there was no way to do it that fast anymore. Im glad you were willing to post it. I still see posts about oh i can do it under 45 minutes and so on. i have posted this 25k challenge MANY MANY times and despite all the posts about 40 minute times no one has takin my 25k. you were the only one to just say it cant be done that fast.

and for anyone that has that magic bullet build to do it under 45 the 25k still stands.

thanks again joshua

Cronk

PS rgr thta on the dream riders. i just go around kill the first three riders then drag the MBS into a mob against the cavern edges and do them that way. its still slowwwww but you can do them in huge groups that way.

Ġ ō Đ¹ · Mar 31, 2009, 06:48 PM // 18:48

im just wondering if you used the same build as a UWSC chamber sin and then used radiation field to degen them to death (it might take awhile) but wouldnt it work because you wouldnt cast a hex...and i dont think the run from RF just a thought

Kazurin · Apr 01, 2009, 10:19 PM // 22:19

So does this mean this build no longer works in UW?

Xiaxhou of Trinity · Apr 04, 2009, 07:03 AM // 07:03

it still works
but killing mindblades will take longer since you can't hex them --> they have hexbreaker
otherwise it still works...basically chamber build doing everything except smites

Covah · Apr 04, 2009, 12:22 PM // 12:22

Instead of ether nightmare throw in mind wrack. It will only hex one of them so you won't get hurt that much and it has a quick recharge to reapply fast.

riktw · Apr 14, 2009, 08:58 PM // 20:58

lame discussion, it works fine here, wasted another 10K on cons and failed, 1 run went good and i got 6 ecto so cons payed

thanks for sharing

took me around 50 min on my first try, think it can be done faster.
if you want real speed, try this:
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:A/E_Planes_SC
under 30 min should be possible with that.